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redcard
05-29 01:14 PM
"This is due, in part, to huge increases in the usage of EB4 and EB5 categories"
Something funky in this ,, where are all these religious workers on EB4 coming in US and where do they work� I think this is another fraud. Seems like folks have started using this category now to get people from India.. and EB5 where is the money to invest in this market.. Seems like another fraud happening.. or software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
Something funky in this ,, where are all these religious workers on EB4 coming in US and where do they work� I think this is another fraud. Seems like folks have started using this category now to get people from India.. and EB5 where is the money to invest in this market.. Seems like another fraud happening.. or software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
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smuggymba
07-27 08:17 AM
One basic note that Amway/Quixstar guys/preachers/creatures should understand is that "Not every business/job is for every one".
Few individuals can do only certain kinds of jobs. However, I notice that these Amway/Quixtar guys always project that, any dumbo can do this business (if followed rules). And also, they project that this is the only way earn money on this planet. If some one follows their own path (own ambitions), then they think that he/she is an idiot that they not joining them. For God's sake, Amway guys don't bug people. When some one said no means, Its NO. don't put pressure on strangers.
I will tell you my experience/observations with most of the Amway/Quixtar guys that I met.
1. They dream of early retirement, free money, free cruise trip, free vacations etc., where as in reality, they don't even buy good TV for them selves. I know few folks who purchased a 18 inches bathroom tv for $5.00. I am not against second hand a TV for less, but check the reality and see the difference between dreams and reality.
2. Forget about TV, it may not be an essential in life for everyone. I also noticed that they don't even purchase proper food/groceries. May be not are alike. I have see many in my past 15 years of life in US either in Bayarea or in Texas or in PA.
3. There was a Quixtar/Amway Summer conference few of years ago. I have seen 32 adult people stayed in a Single bedroom apartment (around 700 Sq Ft) for two nights. Yes, I literally counted people coming out of the door (right opposite to my apartment). I couldn't believe my eyes/brain initially but its truth.
I am not offending any one intentionally, but know the difference between reality and dreams.
These ppl just hang out at Walamart, Ikea, Malls and DMV and scour for desi ppl who are vulnerable and can be conned. The Amway guy I talked to spoke about retiring at 40 and making millions but was renting at 36 yrs himself and had a dingy old car. (I rent too but I don't plan to retire at 40 and make millions by conning ppl)
Few individuals can do only certain kinds of jobs. However, I notice that these Amway/Quixtar guys always project that, any dumbo can do this business (if followed rules). And also, they project that this is the only way earn money on this planet. If some one follows their own path (own ambitions), then they think that he/she is an idiot that they not joining them. For God's sake, Amway guys don't bug people. When some one said no means, Its NO. don't put pressure on strangers.
I will tell you my experience/observations with most of the Amway/Quixtar guys that I met.
1. They dream of early retirement, free money, free cruise trip, free vacations etc., where as in reality, they don't even buy good TV for them selves. I know few folks who purchased a 18 inches bathroom tv for $5.00. I am not against second hand a TV for less, but check the reality and see the difference between dreams and reality.
2. Forget about TV, it may not be an essential in life for everyone. I also noticed that they don't even purchase proper food/groceries. May be not are alike. I have see many in my past 15 years of life in US either in Bayarea or in Texas or in PA.
3. There was a Quixtar/Amway Summer conference few of years ago. I have seen 32 adult people stayed in a Single bedroom apartment (around 700 Sq Ft) for two nights. Yes, I literally counted people coming out of the door (right opposite to my apartment). I couldn't believe my eyes/brain initially but its truth.
I am not offending any one intentionally, but know the difference between reality and dreams.
These ppl just hang out at Walamart, Ikea, Malls and DMV and scour for desi ppl who are vulnerable and can be conned. The Amway guy I talked to spoke about retiring at 40 and making millions but was renting at 36 yrs himself and had a dingy old car. (I rent too but I don't plan to retire at 40 and make millions by conning ppl)
chanduv23
02-13 02:06 PM
But we also have members making $30K fundraising effort successful in 7 days! Hence I believe if the IV core decides to explore the possibility of a lawsuit, we can raise enough money to hire an attorney for that.
there is a saying "if it takes 180 days for a immigrant to screw a light bulb" does not mean that "180 immigrants can screw the light bulb in 1 day".
we have thresholds and we need more active participation. These campaigns are refreshers, we are gathering more dedicated vollunteers, we want to see more people coming forward and help us.
30k in 7 days is a good positive way and we want to see this getting better, what I mean is
30K in 7 days must lead to -> 100k in 20 days must lead to -500k in 2 months - if this is a pattern - then yes we can think of big things. The community must also be ready to face any failure and take it with a pinch of salt? Are we ready for it yet?
I want the answer from the people because I do not want to sound negative :)
there is a saying "if it takes 180 days for a immigrant to screw a light bulb" does not mean that "180 immigrants can screw the light bulb in 1 day".
we have thresholds and we need more active participation. These campaigns are refreshers, we are gathering more dedicated vollunteers, we want to see more people coming forward and help us.
30k in 7 days is a good positive way and we want to see this getting better, what I mean is
30K in 7 days must lead to -> 100k in 20 days must lead to -500k in 2 months - if this is a pattern - then yes we can think of big things. The community must also be ready to face any failure and take it with a pinch of salt? Are we ready for it yet?
I want the answer from the people because I do not want to sound negative :)
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newtogc
10-02 11:39 PM
Hi All,
One company offered me pre-approved labour, with PD as Dec-2004. They are mentioning that I can file i140 immediately as soon as my H1-B transffered to new company.
I have been hearing the news about LC substitution elimination. Any authentic news regarding this? Even if the USCIS publish the news regarding the elimination of LC substitution, Will it undergo the hearing / comment process. During this time can I apply for i140?
Is it better to take this LC( all the criteria required for sub is matched) or apply a new labour under PERM process.
Currently I am in my first H1-B and valid till Oct 2007.
In similar line, what are 45 day letters? Does it apply to my case.
Please need experts advice in this regard.
Thanks,
BNR.
One company offered me pre-approved labour, with PD as Dec-2004. They are mentioning that I can file i140 immediately as soon as my H1-B transffered to new company.
I have been hearing the news about LC substitution elimination. Any authentic news regarding this? Even if the USCIS publish the news regarding the elimination of LC substitution, Will it undergo the hearing / comment process. During this time can I apply for i140?
Is it better to take this LC( all the criteria required for sub is matched) or apply a new labour under PERM process.
Currently I am in my first H1-B and valid till Oct 2007.
In similar line, what are 45 day letters? Does it apply to my case.
Please need experts advice in this regard.
Thanks,
BNR.
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breddy2000
09-03 11:07 PM
breddy2000,
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It�s better to have none than these factionist gonads. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don�t preach like YSR�s family member that �Someone or something is better than none�
I cannot agrue with you based on how you personally attack someone who has a different point of view.
If you do not know how to debate objectively, no one can help
Your reputation from just 6 posts says it all and I'll end this here... Good luck with your Politics.
alisa
02-18 12:10 PM
Also all arguments came out of UnitedNations unfortunately are already present and deep seated in a very large %age of our compatriots....That is the main reason behind the less mobilization......
I differ with you again, my friend.
The main reason(s) behind less mobilization is this. Pappu described this on a different thread.
1) Ignorance about the true nature of the problem
People like you and I don't know that without a change in the laws, they won't get their greencards for another 10-20 years.
2) Lack of faith and understanding of the system
People like you and I, once they know that they are getting screwed, think that the situation is hopeless. They don't understand that the merits of our case (you alluded to them in your previous posts, the demographic shift due to the baby boomers retiring requires skilled labor in this country), is sufficient to warrant a sympathetic ear to us in the congress. We CAN freaking get out of the mess we are in.
We have to accept these two problems. And then we have to address them. How do we do that? Thats the big question.
I differ with you again, my friend.
The main reason(s) behind less mobilization is this. Pappu described this on a different thread.
1) Ignorance about the true nature of the problem
People like you and I don't know that without a change in the laws, they won't get their greencards for another 10-20 years.
2) Lack of faith and understanding of the system
People like you and I, once they know that they are getting screwed, think that the situation is hopeless. They don't understand that the merits of our case (you alluded to them in your previous posts, the demographic shift due to the baby boomers retiring requires skilled labor in this country), is sufficient to warrant a sympathetic ear to us in the congress. We CAN freaking get out of the mess we are in.
We have to accept these two problems. And then we have to address them. How do we do that? Thats the big question.
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05-09 10:49 AM
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Thanks.
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Thanks.
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desi3933
07-27 02:23 PM
Nobody is misguiding anyone. Talk to your lawyer and find out. Amway doesn't offer you employment.
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
It is correct that Amway doesn't offer employment, but the Amway activities are self-employment activities and therefore are under review for valid and authorized employment.
Only US residents, who are authorized for self-employment, can run their business or home based business activities.
Can someone on H-4 visa status can run Amway baed home business? Yes/No. I know you will say "check with your accountant/lawyer" line knowing well H-4 can not be self-employed.
______________________
Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
It is correct that Amway doesn't offer employment, but the Amway activities are self-employment activities and therefore are under review for valid and authorized employment.
Only US residents, who are authorized for self-employment, can run their business or home based business activities.
Can someone on H-4 visa status can run Amway baed home business? Yes/No. I know you will say "check with your accountant/lawyer" line knowing well H-4 can not be self-employed.
______________________
Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
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mbartosik
12-13 07:16 PM
As you use the phrase Check Mate....
Chess is all about thinking strategically several moves ahead.
Given the current political climate on immigration I think that we will be in a check mate position (on the loosing end) if we pursue that road.
The anti's would be all over us as soon as we filed in federal district court probably even before a hearing, and definitely after a hearing. If we lost in lower courts the Supreme Court would probably refuse to hear the appeal, in the mean time we'd have just stirred up the anti's hornets nest against us, just as much if not worse than against the illegals.
Asking Congress to make small changes in the existing laws annoys the anti's. Telling them or forcing them to wholesale rewrite their laws would make us public enemy #1. We would be lucky to have more than a handful of law makers willing to stand up for us. It would kill off all lobbying ability.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
I would rather negotiate than fight, I would rather lobby than court challenge.
So yes, check mate, if we follow this route.
Alternatively, a British phase: Royally screwed!
Chess is all about thinking strategically several moves ahead.
Given the current political climate on immigration I think that we will be in a check mate position (on the loosing end) if we pursue that road.
The anti's would be all over us as soon as we filed in federal district court probably even before a hearing, and definitely after a hearing. If we lost in lower courts the Supreme Court would probably refuse to hear the appeal, in the mean time we'd have just stirred up the anti's hornets nest against us, just as much if not worse than against the illegals.
Asking Congress to make small changes in the existing laws annoys the anti's. Telling them or forcing them to wholesale rewrite their laws would make us public enemy #1. We would be lucky to have more than a handful of law makers willing to stand up for us. It would kill off all lobbying ability.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
I would rather negotiate than fight, I would rather lobby than court challenge.
So yes, check mate, if we follow this route.
Alternatively, a British phase: Royally screwed!
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vinzen
08-18 09:09 PM
I usually just browse through these forums and I really appreciate the effort put in by the organizers. But this thread gave me an urge to respond and perhaps talk.
First of all, SRK is just a normal human, not a God. The TSA has even questioned many American celebrities. SRK is just a guy with Khan as last name. TSA is not going to take chances and will make sure they do what is needed to protect America. And SRK probably acted like a monkey again and annoyed the TSA guys so they held him up for 2 hours. OK, just kidding. But thing is, Indian government if anything should take a lesson from it. In india if you are SRK or Sanjay Dutt, there are no lines for you..any where. Indians should get angry at that, not this that just happened in the USA. And for God's sake, why would you even want to sympathesize with a character like SRK who has destroyed the indian movie industry?
Now don't tell me I am a traitor. I love India, I love America. I live in America because I like living in America and I have gotten used to the comfort and lifestyle. This doesnt mean that I hate India.
And to the guy who thinks that americasn think Indians are slumdogs or thrid class citizens...please go to india and free up the line for the rest of us. Its your belief that they think you are a slumdog. Perhaps you come across that way to them. Indians are more notorious when it comes to "grading" people based on their color or status and if a few rednecks in America did this to you, don't stereotype the entire country.
Enjoy the life. Life is good. In America and in India. Long wait for the GC? Yes it is a b**ch, but why have you rest your entire life on a decision by USCIS. Enjoy and take risks and blow your money on good things in life...even if you dont get the GC, on your flight back to India you will at least be proud of the fact that you enjoyed your stay in America. Go out, meet people, meet beautiful girls, eat good food, drink whiskey, watch movies, go hiking...so many things to do guys. And if you dont get the GC, tell your friends and family about the stuff you did in America.
Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.
First of all, SRK is just a normal human, not a God. The TSA has even questioned many American celebrities. SRK is just a guy with Khan as last name. TSA is not going to take chances and will make sure they do what is needed to protect America. And SRK probably acted like a monkey again and annoyed the TSA guys so they held him up for 2 hours. OK, just kidding. But thing is, Indian government if anything should take a lesson from it. In india if you are SRK or Sanjay Dutt, there are no lines for you..any where. Indians should get angry at that, not this that just happened in the USA. And for God's sake, why would you even want to sympathesize with a character like SRK who has destroyed the indian movie industry?
Now don't tell me I am a traitor. I love India, I love America. I live in America because I like living in America and I have gotten used to the comfort and lifestyle. This doesnt mean that I hate India.
And to the guy who thinks that americasn think Indians are slumdogs or thrid class citizens...please go to india and free up the line for the rest of us. Its your belief that they think you are a slumdog. Perhaps you come across that way to them. Indians are more notorious when it comes to "grading" people based on their color or status and if a few rednecks in America did this to you, don't stereotype the entire country.
Enjoy the life. Life is good. In America and in India. Long wait for the GC? Yes it is a b**ch, but why have you rest your entire life on a decision by USCIS. Enjoy and take risks and blow your money on good things in life...even if you dont get the GC, on your flight back to India you will at least be proud of the fact that you enjoyed your stay in America. Go out, meet people, meet beautiful girls, eat good food, drink whiskey, watch movies, go hiking...so many things to do guys. And if you dont get the GC, tell your friends and family about the stuff you did in America.
Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.
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alterego
12-07 10:38 AM
no comments so far ? and this thread is still visible ..so I guess either people have given up or no one cares (this is weekend ..so I guess less people online).
but I will repeat one last time ..if we cannot link housing and immigration ..then I don't see how anything else can help (can someone educate me).
for eg if we say US is losing talent and brains are leaving ..then I don't think anyone will care especially when economy is down (many natives will be happy I guess).
lawsuits will not help as USCIS will show that they are following law and/or they are understaffed / underfunded.
- flower campaigns or writing to USCIS only will only help flower companies / postal department
flower / letter campaigns help ..but we need a clear plan and lets do brainstorming or atleast show some activity !!
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before someone jumps ..let me clarify that I am not suggesting that immigration will solve the housing problem totally ..but immigrants do constitute a very important segment of buyers.
- we don't have to suggest increasing immigrant quota ..but only recapture and tell that these people are already in USA ..majority of them will get GC one day or the other ..this will just speed up the process so that people can settle / buy houses faster
- I don't think u can come up with law saying if u buy house u will get GC ..focus should only be on faster GC and processing ..faster decision is helpful to US too ..as those whose cases will be denied due to law breaking etc ..will be denied sooner.
and hence no distinction between those who are renting and those who are already owners
Not only are immigrants an important category of buyers, but the few who took the leap of faith in this country and bought, might actually be forced to sell into a down market and exacerbate to pressure if this mess is not sorted out.
This current inaction is a dumb policy in many ways IMHO. I hope visa recapture happens soon. If they want to slow down immigration, they ought to do it at the F1/H1b/L1 level/Labor certification. Not at the 485 stage, which is what visa recapture legislation is all about.
but I will repeat one last time ..if we cannot link housing and immigration ..then I don't see how anything else can help (can someone educate me).
for eg if we say US is losing talent and brains are leaving ..then I don't think anyone will care especially when economy is down (many natives will be happy I guess).
lawsuits will not help as USCIS will show that they are following law and/or they are understaffed / underfunded.
- flower campaigns or writing to USCIS only will only help flower companies / postal department
flower / letter campaigns help ..but we need a clear plan and lets do brainstorming or atleast show some activity !!
---------
before someone jumps ..let me clarify that I am not suggesting that immigration will solve the housing problem totally ..but immigrants do constitute a very important segment of buyers.
- we don't have to suggest increasing immigrant quota ..but only recapture and tell that these people are already in USA ..majority of them will get GC one day or the other ..this will just speed up the process so that people can settle / buy houses faster
- I don't think u can come up with law saying if u buy house u will get GC ..focus should only be on faster GC and processing ..faster decision is helpful to US too ..as those whose cases will be denied due to law breaking etc ..will be denied sooner.
and hence no distinction between those who are renting and those who are already owners
Not only are immigrants an important category of buyers, but the few who took the leap of faith in this country and bought, might actually be forced to sell into a down market and exacerbate to pressure if this mess is not sorted out.
This current inaction is a dumb policy in many ways IMHO. I hope visa recapture happens soon. If they want to slow down immigration, they ought to do it at the F1/H1b/L1 level/Labor certification. Not at the 485 stage, which is what visa recapture legislation is all about.
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tempgc
09-14 03:21 PM
1. I-140 premium processing will increase ROW applications
Its next to impossible to get approval of EB2 PERM and 140 in the current situation.
2. 29 months opt is causing ROW applicants to bypass
H1-B and go for GC directly
I doubt validity of this stmt
5. Perm was introduced in early 2005 and lot of EB2 applications labors were approved in 2005
.
Its only 2655 for EB2I in 2005 PERM.
Its next to impossible to get approval of EB2 PERM and 140 in the current situation.
2. 29 months opt is causing ROW applicants to bypass
H1-B and go for GC directly
I doubt validity of this stmt
5. Perm was introduced in early 2005 and lot of EB2 applications labors were approved in 2005
.
Its only 2655 for EB2I in 2005 PERM.
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snathan
09-04 03:42 PM
Like collecting money to lobby for GC we can accumalate money for Political party as well. I can tell you every Indian would contribute to such endeavor.
Please contribute to IV before start collection for political party. Thanks
Please contribute to IV before start collection for political party. Thanks
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katewill
11-09 09:20 AM
oh well, this is how i feel. "i should have studied more and started with EB2"
rules are rules, fair or unfair.
what have you done other than just waiting? ( i've been waiting too)
while others changed jobs and moved on to EB2 and got GC in 6 month.
maybe you can also search companies with sub labor.
you could have done alot of things if you needed to, but you didn't. (i didn't either)
rules are rules, fair or unfair.
what have you done other than just waiting? ( i've been waiting too)
while others changed jobs and moved on to EB2 and got GC in 6 month.
maybe you can also search companies with sub labor.
you could have done alot of things if you needed to, but you didn't. (i didn't either)
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07-13 01:01 PM
Congratulations on a wise move. Those who adapt to changing circiumstance inherit victory, ALWAYS. All the best!
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dixie
05-10 05:03 PM
even if labor market tests are the right way to go, there is no justification for the enormous bureacracy involved in the US EB system. Consider the time it takes to clear labor certification .. 4-6 months under PERM.Then why another 4-6 years after that to issue the green card ? If the person has already proven he is in a speciality occupation, why the additional bureacracy, and retrogression in the name of "diversity" ? Current policy just smacks of ambivalence.. immigrants are needed for the economy, yet the rules dont acknowledge their utility by offering a painless path to permanent residency.
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amsgc
07-03 11:31 PM
PLEASE HURRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
Tikka,
Done as requested. I want to understand how this works - what will happen if we have a large number of people dig it?
Thanks
Ams
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
Tikka,
Done as requested. I want to understand how this works - what will happen if we have a large number of people dig it?
Thanks
Ams
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villamonte6100
02-15 12:05 PM
I myself wanted to have my greencard NOW!!!
Unfortunately, I have to wait until there is a visa available.
Whether there is a shortcoming on their law here, as aliens, we should also respect the law just like their citizens.
Congress is the only one who could make changes to their existing laws and if they can't do it, bad luck to us.
Their hands are tied.
USCIS cannot do anything because they are just following the law.
Class action is a very big thing and I've read alot of responses here as if filing for a class action is like going to walmart and complain about a defective item you just bought.
I'm not a lawyer but I'm working for a law firm which gives me some idea how the legal system works.
CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Unfortunately, I have to wait until there is a visa available.
Whether there is a shortcoming on their law here, as aliens, we should also respect the law just like their citizens.
Congress is the only one who could make changes to their existing laws and if they can't do it, bad luck to us.
Their hands are tied.
USCIS cannot do anything because they are just following the law.
Class action is a very big thing and I've read alot of responses here as if filing for a class action is like going to walmart and complain about a defective item you just bought.
I'm not a lawyer but I'm working for a law firm which gives me some idea how the legal system works.
CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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at0474
12-13 01:05 PM
"If you read the history of immigration this country you will see that such measures are typically taken with restriction in mind not diversity."
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
"Diversity is the nice sounding cloak."
--True. Every concept has been used and abused.
"There is a definite fear that FB will bring in many mexican migrants ( "chain migration") and the country quota holds that back imho. you think it's because of indian programmers? It was made long before those existed. remember we are a minuscule number- don't feel so important- the programmers are about 2% of all immigrants. 11% is all EB, half are families, half again are techies- not all those are programmers. do the math."
--I did not say EB quota system was framed due to high influx of indian programmers. You missed the whole point.
"Also remember that 50,000 Gc are given a year by lottery for "diversity". as a result more bangladeshis get Gc in a year than indians on EB. so why do we need the country quota in EB again?"
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
"To the person bringing up caste system and fences, here is my proposal.
i am a physician, i am being held behind hoardes of techies who can easily have PD's much before mine since i am training and working longer and the J1 holds me back. 12 years here and no where in the line...so i should get a fast track too. let's have a cap for the techies...hey it looks great from my side of the fence...i'm sure you will agree that i should be pushed up the line."
--Precisely why I said your viewpoint would differ depending on which side of the fence you are.
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact.
"none of this is an argument for a legal approach. just responding to stuff here."
--Same here. I appreciate your response though.
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
"Diversity is the nice sounding cloak."
--True. Every concept has been used and abused.
"There is a definite fear that FB will bring in many mexican migrants ( "chain migration") and the country quota holds that back imho. you think it's because of indian programmers? It was made long before those existed. remember we are a minuscule number- don't feel so important- the programmers are about 2% of all immigrants. 11% is all EB, half are families, half again are techies- not all those are programmers. do the math."
--I did not say EB quota system was framed due to high influx of indian programmers. You missed the whole point.
"Also remember that 50,000 Gc are given a year by lottery for "diversity". as a result more bangladeshis get Gc in a year than indians on EB. so why do we need the country quota in EB again?"
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
"To the person bringing up caste system and fences, here is my proposal.
i am a physician, i am being held behind hoardes of techies who can easily have PD's much before mine since i am training and working longer and the J1 holds me back. 12 years here and no where in the line...so i should get a fast track too. let's have a cap for the techies...hey it looks great from my side of the fence...i'm sure you will agree that i should be pushed up the line."
--Precisely why I said your viewpoint would differ depending on which side of the fence you are.
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact.
"none of this is an argument for a legal approach. just responding to stuff here."
--Same here. I appreciate your response though.
indiancitizen77
09-05 10:32 PM
This was the response I got 3 years ago when I enquired, but I believe the process is different for each province in Canada, and you may want to talk to the person below for more details. Life after internship/residency is not that lucrative in Canada. You may be better off in the Middle East.
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If graduating from an accredited medical college in he United States, he/she will have substantially less difficulty obtaining his/her license to practice medicine in Canada.
He/She will have to complete the qualifying examinations that are administered by the Medical Council of Canada. There are two of these exams. Information about these exams can be found at http://www.mcc.ca. He/She should not have to worry about being subjected to the international medical graduate programs since American schools have their degrees recognized by the licensing bodies in Canada.
Contact Info
Scott Butler
Member Relations/Project Manager
Association of International Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (AIPSO)
2 Carlton Street, Suite 1004
Toronto, ON M5B 1J3
Phone: (416) 979-8611 x 4301
Fax: (416) 979-9853
Email: membershipaipso AT cassa.on.ca
Web: http://www.aipso.ca
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Check out these links:
http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
http://www.aipso.ca/doctors_in_waiting.htm
http://www.justlanded.com/english/canada/tools/forums/jobs/qualifications_for_foreign_doctors_in_canada/foreign_doctors_in_canada
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/forum_2.asp
Lots of links out there, you'll have to do some research.
Thanks for the Information Sertasheep. I guess the middle East especially Dubai is a good option too. I guess the taxes would not be the issue unlike in Canada.
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If graduating from an accredited medical college in he United States, he/she will have substantially less difficulty obtaining his/her license to practice medicine in Canada.
He/She will have to complete the qualifying examinations that are administered by the Medical Council of Canada. There are two of these exams. Information about these exams can be found at http://www.mcc.ca. He/She should not have to worry about being subjected to the international medical graduate programs since American schools have their degrees recognized by the licensing bodies in Canada.
Contact Info
Scott Butler
Member Relations/Project Manager
Association of International Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (AIPSO)
2 Carlton Street, Suite 1004
Toronto, ON M5B 1J3
Phone: (416) 979-8611 x 4301
Fax: (416) 979-9853
Email: membershipaipso AT cassa.on.ca
Web: http://www.aipso.ca
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Check out these links:
http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
http://www.aipso.ca/doctors_in_waiting.htm
http://www.justlanded.com/english/canada/tools/forums/jobs/qualifications_for_foreign_doctors_in_canada/foreign_doctors_in_canada
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/forum_2.asp
Lots of links out there, you'll have to do some research.
Thanks for the Information Sertasheep. I guess the middle East especially Dubai is a good option too. I guess the taxes would not be the issue unlike in Canada.
Vishal2007
05-02 12:46 AM
read Indian history, you know how Gandhiji is self-fish.
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